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You might be thinking of John 14:9 "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" but if you look at his reasoning in the very next verse, it's not because he is the Father, but because the Father is "in" him. In other words, the Father can be seen in Jesus, Jesus exemplifies the Father, not that Jesus is the Father. Jesus revealed God to the world, not himself to the world (John 17:26).

Which is greater, Mighty God, or Almighty God? I'm sure you agree it is the latter. Indeed, Jesus is a mighty god, el gibbór, but have you ever looked into the title El Shaddái? It means God Almighty and only Jehovah (YHWH) is called this. Gen17:1. Almighty by definition is the mightiest. He is the one Jesus told us to worship, exclusively. LUK4:8

​@@FrankLee-gq8yc I see one great point in your comment. You accept with me that "Jesus" is GOD from "Isaiah 9:6" even though you seem to overlook the second attribute of JESUS as decribed in this verse : "Everlasting Father". Let's go some further with the verse "Revelation 1: 1-8" (NIV), precisely in "1:8", Jesus is described to be "Almighty". It's undeniable in the Bible that 'Jesus is GOD'. This is the point that 'Unitarians' can't agree with. Look at this beautiful verse "John 17 : 11 (NIV) : "... Holy Father, protect them by the power of YOUR NAME, THE NAME YOU GAVE ME, so that they may be one as WE ARE ONE. Through this verse JESUS is asserting to be named after the "Holy Father's name", he bears the name of the 'Holy Father' and in the end of the verse He declares to be 'ONE WITH THE HOLY FATHER'. This amazing. That's what the 'TRINITY' proponents TRY to explain. I must point out that It's not that easy to explain the 'TRINITY' and without the explanation of TRINITY, there might seem to be three gods (which is FALSE and unbiblical) and yet, we can't deny that "JESUS is GOD'"with regard to all the verses I share with you. PS : There are lots of verses in the Bible that describe JESUS in the manner that ONLY GOD can be described.

Yep, you're exactly right. Really great summary of OT uses in Hebrews!

I would call him good, just not in comparison to God, who Jesus sees as being in a class of "goodness" by himself, that Jesus himself doesn't fall into.

yep, right on the money.

St. Thomas the Apostle, a mere 11 verses later says in John 20:28 ‘My Lord and my God’ in reference to Jesus. Jesus doesn’t try to deny his divinity or rebuke him, but rather asks why does he (Thomas) believe that he (Jesus) is God. When Jesus is talking about having a God, he’s talking from the perspective of being a human. He has two natures, a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. When Jesus is talking about having a God, he’s speaking human to human, since he very clearly affirms his divinity in John 20:28-30.

@@Nieden-Pilled saint Thomas eh? well saint Neiden (you are a christian right) that old chestnut is asked and answered in pretty much every thread on these videos. Jesus is THE FULL MANIFESTATION of God. according to Paul. Unseen spirit of God within the man Jesus. Deut18:18. read it. all us saints have been explaining this to you trinitarian saints for ages. Thomas just had the lightbulb moment, as Jesus had been telling them, seen me seen the father. Father and I are one (purpose, job of work, team mates)

@@Nieden-Pilled So instead of addressing what is plainly shown, you deflect with a verse that is always twisted to suit your blasphemous and eisegetical presuppositions.... typical. Ignore and deflect....

@@leagreenall5972 No, I’m not deflecting. You can’t claim that Jesus is not claiming to be God in John 20 when he affirms to St. Thomas that he in fact, is God. When he talks about having a God (‘Your God and my God’), he is talking from the perspective of a human, he’s affirming his humanity. However he also affirms to Thomas that he is in fact God. This is actually a fairly important chapter for the Council of Chalcedon, which led to the proclamation that Jesus has a fully human and fully divine nature.

So, when Jesus was praying to God the Father asking for "this cup to pass" was he praying to himself?

@@biblicalunitarian If the one true God - God the Father - "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and *manifested **_himself_** on earth in genuine human form,* as _his own_ Son (so that he could lay down _his own_ life for us, not someone else's life), then who else would *God's genuinely human manifestation* pray to, but his own eternal, omnipotent self?

@@euston2216Not to mention, the Holy Spirit is identified in the Petrine Epistles (1 Peter 1:11) as the Spirit of Christ. If Jesus isn’t God, then why is the Holy Spirit said to be of him?

​@@euston2216Christ says: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me" in two verses. When Christ(Yeshua)was Being nailed on the Cross he was crying out to the Father(YHWH) who was in Heaven. At this time it's not like The Seat of Heaven was unoccupied by the Father. It wasn't The Father being nailed to the Cross, it was The Son whom The World shut out. 1 John 1:3 "Our fellowship is with God the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ." This verse states the Duo that is The Father and the Son. Not that the Son is the Same Father or The Father is same son but that he is One in spirit with God the Father. The Holy Spirit of God is One Entity that allows us to be One with the Father. Not that Christ is the holy Spirit but that God is in Christ through the Holy Spirit. And Christ is One with God the same way through the Holy Spirit. 1 with 2, 1 God in 1 Christ through 1 spirit(Holy Spirit) not a 3 in 1 Triangle. God isn't a shape. If all three had the Being of YHWH, Yeshua and The Holy Spirit would be referred to as YHWH and not have distinctions. Remember Yeshua said The Father(YHWH) is greater than I, In terms of Office

​@@Nieden-PilledGod is in Christ through the Holy Spirit. It was the Holy Spirit that planted Christ's seed in Mary, that's why it says Christ is of the Holy Spirit.

Nope, I am not saying that Jesus is not "good" but rather that in comparison to God, he does not consider himself to be "good." Now, these are Jesus' words not mine, so if they are unsettling, perhaps you might need to reevaluate how you view Jesus.

@@biblicalunitarian I’m gonna paraphrase: Jesus never said he is not good, he asked why do you call me good, only God is good. It is easy to think this means Jesus is saying he is not God, but look closer: he never said he wasn’t, and then questions the guy’s motives and tells him to sell all he has and pick up his cross and follow him, Jesus. Doesn’t that say something about Jesus? Wouldn’t he be bad if he wasn’t good (good shepherd) and tells people to follow him? I mean even look at the fact that Jesus already knows what was going on in this guys life and heart (and OT says only God knows a mans heart). Jesus was trying to get this guy to evaluate why he was following all the laws, this guy was not truly devoted to God; to be truly devoted to God, he needed to sell his idols, give to the poor and truly follow God: Jesus

@@biblicalunitarian Second note: Jesus literally lists out the part of the ten commandments that are outward rules about his neighbors. But then Jesus cuts to the case and tells him what he needs to do, which if you think about it, deals with the first part of the ten commandments, the part of the commandments Jesus knew, from the beginning of the conversation, this man was not following...then tells him to follow Him: Jesus was setting up the conversation to cut to the heart of the matter, just like the woman at the well. Jesus already knew what was keeping this guy and the woman at the well from the kingdom...like only God could...maybe the examination needs to be on your view, eh?

thats right. the unseen God is a spirit manifesting in the man Jesus. Attesting that Jesus is the promised messiah, by signs and wonders done THROUGH the man Jesus. God, an unseen holy spirit in the human son God promised to speak through, the offspring of Eve, the last (obedient) Adam. God with us. If you see the son, you see the work done through the son by the unseen father.

Well said!

yes very well said and that has been my experience. This discovery has so boosted my own understanding, continuity of scripture, and faith, yet my old trinitarian friends will shut their ears to anything i try to say, and get angry without contemplating what i try to point out. Like the proverbial ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

@@ken440 Yes, this is the behavior of Ego on virtually every topic imaginable. When a person becomes *_Certain_* about any topic, they naturally *_Stop Looking._* This very act of *_Stopping_* blinds them to all the evidence which might otherwise prove them wrong. And being *_Wrong_* is both dangerous and painful. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯 Reference: *_Dumb Genius: How intelligence is sometimes its own worst enemy_*

Johnny isn't basing his understanding just on this verse. He's done other videos on other verses that Trinitarian's use as well. And on this and related channels there's many videos explaining the various proof texts that Trinity believers use. Then there's many videos talking about all the passages that describe God and Jesus from a Biblical Unitarian perspective. There's actually a lot more that points to Jesus being a separate being to God his father. And in contrast, there's no clear teaching anywhere in the Bible about a Trinity. God, Jesus, or the apostles never describe it or teach it. That should be a big point to think on, when we are supposed to be taking our beliefs from them.

read again how he is the LAMB OF GOD. then think about how the blood is our covering. We are covered if we choose to come under the blood, to believe and accept, faith. Then think about what days jesus died at... a passover. Then think "Passover" in egypt and compare notes. Do you see why Jesus is called Gods lamb?" because God provided the lamb to cover His human family, as many as would come under the blood. Just like at first Passover, father of each house would provide lamb of blood covering for his family, and as many family as came under it were saved, faith. That should be the "alpha and omega" of understanding salvation. ( a to z, root to leaf, alpha to omega, dc to daylight, all expressions of completeness of something.

@@ken440 first off I completely understand the significance of the Passover and Jesus covering us with his blood, but you are not answering the real issue here: all creatures have been identified literally in heaven and earth and in the sea, and yet He (Jesus) is not part of those creatures. And he’s being worshiped right along with the father in heaven. Do you understand that when God comes down and the Holy Spirit covers a woman and causes her to be pregnant that that child has the DNA of God literally put into Him? And don’t play games with what the Alpha Omega mean, you have to explain it away in the fashion that the text does not say because otherwise you’d have to confirm that Jesus and the old Testament Alpha Omega are the same: One God three persons. When you start sticking to the text, then you’ll see.

@@eddieyoung2104Hebrews 1:1-3 [1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Colossians 1:15-20 [15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [16] For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. [17] And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. Sounds like he’s God. And before you get all huffy and puffy about first born of all creation, go look into what that means in the original language. It doesn’t mean that he was created.

Not one of those verses teaches that Jesus is God. I could address every verse you brought up, but have already done so on this site - www.biblicalunitarian.com/verses What premise of the video do you disagree with? Do you believe that Jesus didn't die, or that God can die? You have to believe one of those things to deny the conclusion, that Jesus isn't God.

@@biblicalunitarian I don't care what verses you bring up. You are a false teacher. Unitarian is of the devil. Jesus is God period. In Genesis 1:26 God said," Let us make man in our image." Who was He talking to? Jesus pre existed with the Father. The pharisee's tried to kill Him because of it. The most important reason Jesus must be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world ( 1 John 2:2) A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could take on the sins of the world, die and be resurrected proving His victory over sin and death.

@@biblicalunitarian I don't care how many verses you bring up. You are a false teacher. Unitarian is of the devil. The most important reason Jesus must be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world ( 1 John 2:2) A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could take on the sins of the world, die and be resurrected proving His victory over sin and death.

@@Ed5434 Just for future reference, I hope that you would genuinely be more cautious to never call someone "of the Devil" who believes Jesus is the Messiah, the Savior of the World, you will have to give an account to God for the words you speak. Also, 1 John 2:2 does not say Jesus needed to be God to pay for the sins of humankind, however, Hebrews 2:17 does say the opposite, that Jesus "needed to be like his brothers and sisters in every respect...so that he could wipe away the sins of humankind" is a God-man like his brothers in every respect? Are you like a God-man?

@@biblicalunitarian Jesus is God and the Son of God. What is so hard to figure out about that? Jesus called people dogs, devils, hypocrites. Don't try to scare me with your tactics.

If he said these things ... and God exalted him ... how do you then "worship" Jesus without commiting idolatry???

@@KononR-gz4vo I don't. Do you?

@@MichaelTheophilus906 - But ... are there Bible texts that say we must worship Jesus? ... And Jesus receives worship several times in the Gospels (Matthew 2:11; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28). Jesus is never said to reject such adoration.

​@@KononR-gz4voAnd as mediator between God and man, the man Jesus is the conduit to be representing God to you, so you can worship God through the mediator Jesus. Not hard to understand, Paul told us in 1Tim2.

@@ken440 - So how do you pray to God? Must Jesus be summons first?

very good. And that man, the son of man, (seed of Eve) will return and all that has yet to take place. Theologians call it "the eskaton." It begins at Jesus return.

I know you didnt ask me, but i asked myself the same thing today, and all i can offer is fear. They have a hope rather than a faith, and if they stick with the flock they hope the group will keep them safe. Like sheep many have gone astray.

Well, there are a lot of reasons why it has continued to be the predominant belief for so long. Social pressures, pastors losing jobs if they look into it, members being told not to look into it, throwing around the "heretic" word for people who don't believe in the "Mystery." In the past, people burning unitarian books, silencing unitarian opinions, killing unitarians. People following the majority is also a psychological phenomenon. Also, at the Trinitarian Seminary I went to, I don't think I knew one person who questioned the Trinity, so if no pastors are questioning it, it's very easy to see how it could be passed on from generation to generation. There are a ton of reasons and the combination of all of those seem pretty clear to me.

@@ken440 ken, I am grateful for your reply. Please read the reply from biblical Unitarian it's really thorough and I think it explains a lot. Bless you and have a good day.

@@biblicalunitarian I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you answering the question I asked you. It makes me so Sad and Angry. How can something so fundamental and important be mistaken. Also how can we believe the Bible when there are so many versions that actually say different things it's so hard for me to continue being a Jesus follower. Thank you very much.

@@kavitadeva all understood. I also agree with the other reply, i just distilled it to its basic level. i have just come to the end of a long debate, over 50 comments, with someone on a sister video to this, and though i repeatedly showed them alternative ways to see their list of usual holy handgrenades, they just bluntly stated each time that i was making things up. And when i gave lengthy answers contexting way back into hebrew scripture to show the more logical interpretation of their version, they criticized me for making long complicated replies, everytime not looking beyond their quoted NIV understanding. Willfully blind comes to mind, but we have to remember there is a god of this age, an unseen adversary, who is the source of the lies and deception and who inflates piety of tradition, power building, silly hats and robes and self promotion. Its a spiritual battle.

This certainly is a big part of salvation that gets overlooked, but I think salvation from "death" is also a clear component of salvation.

excellent and obvious logic point, yet many will shut their eyes and ears to it.

Peter was correct though, Jesus is the Son of the living God. And, as the son of God, he is God. If Jesus isn’t God, then John 16 makes absolutely no sense and Jesus was lying. John 16:12-15 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” If Jesus has everything the Father has, then why would that not include his divine essence/divinity? Furthermore, the Holy Spirit (which I understand you Unitarians believe to be some kind of presence/extension of the Father) is receiving his message of truth from the Son. Why does God almighty need to receive the message of truth, which he gives to the apostles, from his own creation? Is God now subordinate to his own creation?

@@Nieden-Pilled what you just said, first couple sentences, makes no sense. Think it through, what you said. Now put yourself in there. You are the son of YOUR FATHER. Therefore you are your father, seen one seen the other. Your father and you are one. Correct?..... absolute baloney. How could you even start to say something like that. Im the son of my father, but my mother would be surprised when birthing to have my father pop out. As a christian you and I are both new birth sons of God right?. So are you therefore God? I know Im not! Adam was the created first human son of God, so are you saying he was God too? of course you arent.

@@Nieden-Pilled Jesus has Gods divinity, essence, NOW. He was MADE lord and anointed Acts2:36 (God was Lord beforehand, all those references in OT.) and Jesus was glorified much higher than angels, and GIVEN Gods power and authority in all heaven and earth (like God has stepped aside and given the drivers seat to His son Jesus.) Your unitarians dont say Jesus is not divine, NOW, they just say he wasnt divine BEFORE being raised... he was "made a little lower than the angels." Furthermore (you trinitarians claim the spirit is actually the third person of God, equal.) if the holy spirit was given to christians, then what is Jesus doing telling another part of himself stuff?? See your argument works against you too.

@@ken440 Stop using human analogies to try and understand God. Jesus, as the son of God, is of the father. If Jesus is of the father, he also has to be God, like the Father, otherwise he can’t be of the Father. Applying human familial analogies to the trinity don’t work.

@@TheApostleofChristThank you brother. I feel as if the comment sections in channels such as this one just become eco-chambers of Unitarian/Neo-Aryan theology. Scripture confirms that Jesus is God right from the get go. Jesus was given another name by the blessed Virgin Mary at the behest of the Angel Gabriel, Emmanuel, which translates to ‘God is with us.’ Scripture makes absolutely no mistake that Jesus is God.

@@TheApostleofChrist Most of his arguments seem to be dancing around the overwhelming amount of Scripture that confirms the divinity of Christ. I’ve also seen unitarians entirely ignoring ecumenical councils as man-made while ignoring the fact that it was the ecumenical councils that, over a handful of centuries, compiled the canon of scripture. If you’re going to throw out the councils, then you’re going to have to throw out the canon of Scripture.

@@TheApostleofChrist Precisely, God took on a human form, meaning that the body, being human, could die. Jesus was still fully human, he could die just as much as all other humans could. However, since he was also God, he had the ability to conquer death by resurrecting himself. Jesus, if he wanted to, could have stopped the crucifixion at any point. He had an army of angels, his own omnipotence, willing to fight followers who could have easily stopped his crucifixion. However, as much as he didn’t want to be crucified, he understood the importance of his death for humanity.

Nieden-Pilled, I don't have time to respond to everything you all are saying, however, my arguments are not dancing around the overwhelming amount of scripture that teaches the divinity of Jesus. The overwhelming amount of scripture teaches that Jesus is someone different from God, I don't think that when I was a Trinitarian I ever let that simple fact sink in. And if there is only one God, which is very clear, (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 44:6; John 5:44; 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6), then Jesus is not God, because that would make 2 Gods.

TheApostle of Christ, when you say things like, "yeah dude he’s the same person that would ignore hebrews 1:8" you simply do not know me or my character. I studied at a Trinitarian seminary and became a Unitarian through study. I checked every single "Trinitarian" verse to ensure that it really didn't teach that Jesus was God, before becoming Unitarian because I knew I would have a lot to lose. Please do not make rude comments on this channel or else I will have to remove you. I'm not going to let my ministry's youtube channel become a place where people can bash our character and make fun of Unitarians. If you would like to address and respond to arguments I put forward you are welcome to do that, however, leave Ad Hominem attacks out of this, it is not Christianly behavior. As far as Hebrews 1:8 is concerned, even if you translate it "Your throne, O God," which is up for debate, those words are spoken to an Israelite King who had a wife (Psa. 45:9), so clearly these words were not originally about Jesus, because Jesus never had a wife. Yet, this portion, the author of Hebrews found, had later application to Jesus. So, if you want to make "Your throne, O God," turn Jesus into God, you also have to say that the Old Testament Israelite King is God, and I don't think you want to do that. I'm simply using consistent logic.